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The Pakistani response to limited Indian strikes: Swift retribution


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There is much discussion in India circles on the way to deal with Pakistan and cut it down to size. These discussion have been happening in New Delhi not since November 27th, 2008 but since November of 1946. The Indian psyche has never accepted what they think of “partition” of Mother India and want the one country from Kabul to Bali. This Indian hegemonistic design on South Asia has led it to wars with each and every one of its neighbors, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Pakistan has been the major irritant in India’s expansion Westward. Bangladesh stops it from consolidating its the Northeast states known as the Seven Sisters and Assam.

The Pakistani response to the Indian “Cold Start Strategy” or limited strikes against Pakistan will be swift and punishing retribution. If any analyst thinks that “Cold start” will remain cold he or she is delusional and needs to be committed. India is the USA and Pakistan is not Afghanistan. If India does cross the border and sends aircraft to bomb any Pakistani territory, Islamabad will retaliate in a measured and limited manner. Any Indian bombing will be matched by an equal and opposite number of attacks on India. This will continue and if India wants to escalate, Pakistan will escalate too. Pakistan also reserves the right to use tactical and real Nuclear weapons. Tactical nuclear weapons have low radition affects while actual nuclear weapons cause colossal damage.

1) India attacks some targets in Pakistan claiming they are terror camps.

2) Pakistan send attacks an equal number of military installations in India with Hataf 4, Shaheen and Pakistan cruise missiles

3) India tries to cross the border at Sialkot, Wagah or the Kach regions

4) Pakistan rains down short range Hataf 3 missiles and bombs the Indian tanks

5) India bombs Karachi with a Naval blockade. Pakistan responds with Exocet missiles and Augusta class Submarines to sink Indian Frigates. Pakistan also has thousands of undetectable speedboats to respond to any Naval attack.

6) India bombs civilian targets in Pakistan. Pakistan responds with Cruise missile bombing of a town equal in size

If bay any chance India is making any gains in any sector, many Pakistani analysts have also entertained the suggestion of dropping a mini nuclear bomb in the India ocean as a warning to any aggressive design anyone may have.

At the beginning of any hostilities sleeper cells in India would be activated and 150,000 irregulars would be sent deep into India from various areas. There is also the danger that the Indian army faces in Kashmir and Assam. A popular uprising in Indian Occupied Kashmir will be impossible to put down by the 800,000 soldiers who are tied down in Indian Occupied Kashmir

Many Pakistani analysts have also entertained the suggestion of dropping a mini nuclear bomb in the India ocean as a warning to any aggressive design anyone may have.

ISLAMABAD: All main militant groups fighting in Fata, from South Waziristan to Bajaur and from Mohmand to the Khyber Agency, have contacted the government through different sources after the Mumbai bombings and have offered a ceasefire if the Pakistan Army also stops its operations.


And as a positive sign that this ceasefire offer may be accepted, the Pakistan Army has, as a first step, declared before the media some notorious militant commanders, including Baitullah Mehsud and Maulvi Fazlullah, as “patriotic” Pakistanis.

These two militant commanders are fighting the Army for the last four years and have invariably been accused of terrorism against Pakistan but the aftermath of the Mumbai carnage has suddenly turned terrorists into patriots.

A top security official told a group of senior journalists on Saturday: “We have no big issues with the militants in Fata. We have only some misunderstandings with Baitullah Mehsud and Fazlullah. These misunderstandings could be removed through dialogue.”
The Indian allegations against Pakistan have suddenly forced the military establishment in Pakistan to finally accept that they are not fighting an American war inside the Pakistani territory.

On another level, the parliamentary leader of the 12 Fata members in the National Assembly, Munir Orakzai, has expressed optimism in this regard, saying: “I see a bright ray of peace in the tribal areas and if we come out of the American pressure, I can guarantee that there will be peace in the tribal areas in a few days and we will be ready to fight against India on the eastern border along with the Pakistan Army.”

The change in the attitude of the Pakistani military establishment is remarkable. Thanks to India, the security officials, who used to criticise the Pakistani media, are now praising its role in the recent days, saying: “You have proven that you are patriotic Pakistanis.” www.jang.com.pk Monday, December 01, 2008, By Hamid Mir 

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    Dec. 1 (Bloomberg) — India blamed “elements” from Pakistan for last week’s deadly Mumbai terror attacks and told its neighbor to match its words of cooperation with “strong action” to build a “qualitative new relationship.”

    The attacks that began Nov. 26 and ended three days later have threatened to derail peace talks between the two nuclear- armed neighbors. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Nov. 27 said India will “go after” individuals and organizations behind the assault, while Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari said his government will act, provided there’s evidence.

    “It was conveyed to the Pakistan High Commissioner that Pakistan’s actions needed to match the sentiments conveyed by its leadership,” Vishnu Prakash, India’s foreign ministry spokesman, told reporters today in New Delhi.

    India and Pakistan have fought two of their three wars since 1947 over the Kashmir region, which is divided between them and claimed in full by both countries. The two nations came to the brink of a fourth war in 2002, though some analysts said the latest incident may not bring tensions to that level.

    “Indian and Pakistan political leaders are wiser after the experience of 2002,” said New Delhi-based C. Uday Bhaskar, a defense analyst and former director of the Institute for Defense Studies & Analyses. Statements by the Indian officials are “carefully nuanced where attention is drawn to elements in Pakistan” without “casting aspersions on the Pakistani state.”

    The assault on two luxury hotels, a cafe, a rail station and a Jewish center killed 195 people, including 22 foreigners, and was the deadliest in 15 years in Hindu-majority India.

    Pakistan Training Alleged

    The outlawed Lashkar-i-Taiba, a Kashmiri guerilla group alleged to have carried out the attacks, still operates training camps for militants inside Pakistan and has expanded its membership, the Washington Post reported yesterday, citing Michael Scheuer, a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst.

    Ajmal Amir Kasab, the only suspected terrorist caught by the police, told interrogators that 24 people were trained in Pakistan over the course of a year, 10 of whom were picked for the Mumbai operation, the Times of India reported today, citing unidentified people.

    Kasab said the terrorists were trained by a former soldier in seven phases, including the use of weapons and ammunition and such physical activity as diving, running and swimming, the newspaper reported, citing the unidentified people.

    The two nations ended their fifth round of talks between home secretaries in New Delhi on Nov. 26, just before the attacks began that evening. They resolved to cooperate with each other to combat terrorism and take “severe action” against any elements. India Tells Pakistan to Match Its Words With ‘Action’ on Terror By Bibhudatta Pradhan and Pratik Parija

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  • There is a lot of huffing and puffing from across the border in India. Threats do little to intimidate the likes of Lashkar e Tayaba. The Voltaires of India are quiet, too scared to question the carnage. The mighty Indian media controlled by corporatism has become more obsequious than Pravda or Izvestia. Icons of the press freedom like Tehilka cannot survive amid the tough commercial environment. Bigotry sells. Pakistanphobia sells even more. The words of Arundhuti Roy are either marginalized or ignored because she is labeled as a communist.

    Last year, the same officials were part of a decision to impose a ban on many Pakistani TV channels because of their alleged anti-state behaviour. Meanwhile, Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has made it clear to President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani that if India escalates tensions, then Pakistan has to move its troops from the tribal areas to the eastern borders and it would not be possible to continue the war against terrorism.


    Top military officials conveyed the same message to the media representatives on Saturday. It was learnt that Washington and London were very concerned over the rise of tension between the two nuclear powers.
    The Pakistan Army officials have been describing 48 hours as very important. These sources claimed on Sunday that the situation was now stabilising. A very responsible government official in Islamabad told this scribe on Sunday that nothing would happen in the next 24 hours.20Some late night telephone calls made from Washington and London helped to cool down the temperature in New Delhi and Islamabad.

    Despite the assurances made by President Asif Zardari on sending a director of ISI to India for helping the Mumbai carnage investigations, it has also been decided by Islamabad that no ISI official will visit India, at least, in the next one week.

    On the domestic level, thanks to the uncalled for Indian allegations, some ministers of the Yousuf Raza Gilani cabinet got an opportunity to criticise their prime minister on his face for giving an assurance to India that the ISI chief will go to New Delhi without consulting even his cabinet colleagues.
    Angry ministers told Gilani clearly in Saturday’s cabinet meeting that his decision was not good and he should concentrate on “institutionalised decision-making” rather than going for solo flights in the future. Gilani was forced to change his decision. The cabinet, after discussing the Mumbai carnage and the Indian allegations in detail, also advised the prime minister that no ISI official should be sent to India in the near future.

    It was discussed in the meeting as to why the militants made a ridiculous demand of liberating the Hyderabad Deccan (Andhra Pradesh). This issue was never raised by any hardline Muslim militant in India or Pakistan in the past. Why did they not demand the liberation of Kashmir, which was the prime objective of banned Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan?

    The Indian government claimed that these militants reached Gujarat from Karachi by boat through a 500-km sea route. Why did the Indian Navy fail to stop this boat? The cabinet unanimously agreed that Pakistan will not come under any Indian pressure but efforts will also be made to decrease tensions without annoying the public opinion.

    One minister was of the view that the Indian media war against Pakistan had helped Islamabad indirectly as the local media ignored all the domestic political issues and got involved in the tension created by India.

    National Assembly Speaker Dr Fehmida Mirza was the most disturbed soul in Islamabad because of the media war between India and Pakistan. She talked to some journalists and advised them not to instigate the public opinion against India because this tension could hurt economies of both countries.
    She fears a big conspiracy behind the Mumbai tragedy. She thinks that another attack like Mumbai will definitely create a war-like situation between the two neighbours. She is planning to call the Congress leader Sonia Gandhi and Indian President Pratibha Patel to remove doubts and misgivings between the two nations. She told me: “As a mother, I am thinking to make a mothers’ alliance between India and Pakistan. Let the mothers come out and stop their sons from fighting each other.”   Monday, December 01, 2008, By Hamid Mir 

    Even sane politicians in Delhi are discussing the possibility of a “Cold Start Strategy”–limited strikes against Pakistan. All the polemics in India are already having in impact in Pakistan. All shades of Pakistani opinion are coming on one platform. The militants in FATA and Waziristan have sent messages to the government on a cease fire to deal with the threats from across the Radcliff Line.

    The USA, NATO and ISAF forces have had a tough time in keeping the militants down in Afghanistan and the border areas of Pakistan. If the escalation between India and Pakistan rises to any level of danger, the same militants who have been fighting the Pakistani army will fight alongside the Pakistani Army.

    Peace Talks

    India says the success of the peace talks that started in 2003 depends on Pakistan ending alleged support for cross-border terrorism in the part of Kashmir under Indian control and taking steps to combat militants.

    Pakistan and India should work together in the wake of the terrorist attacks and not allow the incident to spur new antagonism between them, Pakistan’s ambassador to the U.S., Husain Haqqani, told CNN yesterday. “Non-state actors” were forcing their agenda and Pakistan’s government “will cooperate with India in exposing and apprehending the culprits” behind the attacks, Zardari said on Nov. 28.

    The U.S. doesn’t believe Pakistan’s government was involved in the attacks, and the Bush administration trusts Pakistan to investigate the issue, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told reporters today. “We have no reason not to” trust Pakistan “right now,” she said.

    Pakistan Meeting

    Pakistan’s political leaders will meet tomorrow to discuss security policy. Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani will head the meeting to assess the regional situation, according to Zahid Bashir, the Pakistani premier’s press secretary.

    The biggest opposition group, the Pakistan Muslim League faction headed by former premier Nawaz Sharif, which split from the Pakistan Peoples Party-led coalition government in August, will attend the meeting, party spokesman Siddiq-ul-Farooq said.

    Gilani canceled a trip to Hong Kong, where he was to attend the Clinton Global Initiative summit starting tomorrow, to focus on addressing growing tensions with India, Bashir has said.

    The 60-hour killing spree by less than a dozen terrorists underscores the failure of India’s police force to keep pace with better armed, equipped and trained militants, a former intelligence agent said.

    “That system has collapsed,” said Vikram Sood, former director of India’s foreign intelligence agency, known as the Research and Analysis Wing. “Police are overworked, understaffed and undertrained.”

    At least 20 officers, including the head of the Maharashtra state Anti-Terrorism Squad, were among almost 200 people killed in the gun and grenade attacks.

    To contact the reporter on this story: Bibhudatta Pradhan in New Delhi at bpradhan@bloomberg.net; Pratik Parija in New Delhi at pparija@bloomberg.net

    Last Updated: December 1, 2008 12:01 EST. India Tells Pakistan to Match Its Words With ‘Action’ on Terror By Bibhudatta Pradhan and Pratik Parija

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    • A car bomb explosion in Saddar area of Peshawar on 21 December 1995 caused the deaths of 37 persons and injured over 50 others.
    • An explosion at Shaukat Khanum Hospital on 14 April 1996, claimed the lives of seven persons and injured to over 34 others.
    • A bus traveling from Lahore to Sahiwal was blown up at Bhai Pheru on 28 April 1996, causing the deaths of 44 persons on the spot and injuring 30 others.
    • An explosion in a bus near the Sheikhupura hospital killed 9 persons and injured 29 others on 08 May 1996.
    • An explosion near Alam chowk, Gujranwala on 10 June 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 11 others.
    • A bomb exploded on a bus on GT Road near Kharian on 10 June 1996, killing 2 persons and injuring 10 others.
    • On 27 June 1996, an explosion opposite Madrassah Faizul Islam, Faizabad, Rawalpindi, killed 5 persons and injured over 50 others.
    • A bomb explosion in the Faisalabad railway station passenger lou (http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/india/raw.htm)
    • For a more enhanced partial list RAWs trail of terror: Indian Bomb blasts in Pakistan .
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    Imposing sippenhaft on “malich” Pakistan: A rebuttal to emotional “orientalist” Brahman bigotry


    Sippenhaft or Sippenhaftung (English: “kin liability”) was a form of collective punishment practiced in Nazi Germany towards the end of the Second World War. It was a legal practice whereby relatives of those accused of crimes against the state were held to be equally responsible and were arrested and sometimes executed. Many people who had not committed any crimes were arrested and punished under Sippenhaft laws introduced following the failed July 20 plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler in July 1944. A law of February 1945 also threatened death to the relatives of military commanders who showed what Hitler regarded as cowardice or defeatism in the face of the enemy.

    Yogi Sikand is a good man. He writes well and has a good audience. Rupee News regularly publishes his column. However we were shocked to see his most current essay. Here was my response to him via email.

    OH! My God!….so much vituperative venom against Pakistan…and all of this coming from the Indian literate elite………………

    Eh tu Brutus?

    The Real Sikand is showing his true colors….your halo is rusting!!

    When the going got tough…YOU TOO joined the Pakistanphobic lynch mobs, not simply attacking an individual but the entire state of Pakistan, it founders, its raison d’etre, its foundation, its leadership, its army, its citizens, ….blaming everything on Pakistan…and on every Pakistani. If this is not bigotry disguised as “orientalism” what is???

    “The notion of collective guilt, conceptually and morally indefensible, must be rejected (New Republic, historian Daniel Jonah Goldhagen )

    The sanctimonious India psyche proclaiming collective innocence and place collective guilt on Pakistan :  Collective guilt, like guilt, is the unpleasant emotional reaction that results among a group of individuals when it is perceived that the group illegitimately harmed members of another group. (Wiki)

    The reason for animosity from Pakistan towards India is not the mullahs who are irrelevant in Pakistani elections and always have been, but the contumelious diatribes, water-stoppage,occupation of Pakistani territory, and the opprobrious rhetoric against the Pakistani state from across the border. For those suffering from collective amnesia, Indian Muslims and future Pakistanis rejected the “Darul Harb” perpetual war—and voted for the Muslim League!!

    How can you expect any sense of sanity when you just doled out the rejected Neoconish invective and the BJP, RSS, and VHPs scurrilous philosophy on us as “fact”–without any doubt, hesitancy, circumscription, or any iota of reservation for the other point of view…

    You just reinforced the view that ALL Indians are just RSS in disguise…remove the mask and you will see Adhvani and Modi….

    It is easy to kill once you have demonized!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    For some real history, please read–Why we created Pakistan? The Pakistan Ideology. ONT vs TNT

     

    PS: Did anyone condemn the RAW support to the BLA, and the TTP? Amazingly when the RAW bombed the Marriott, you guys made the same arguments against Pakistan…

    Pakistanis and Indians are different. Congratulations Mr. Sikand: You just proved the Two Nation Theory.                         

    Every problem that you identified in Pakistan is also present in India. If you replaced the words Muslim and Pakistan (and related words in context) with Hindu and India (and related context) in your essay you would be describing India.

    DIL ZINDA-O-BEDAAR AGAR HO TO BA-TADREEJ

    BANDE KO ATA KARTA HAI CHASHME-NIGRAA(N) AUR

    ALFAZ-O-MAANI MEIN TAFAWAT NAHI LEKIN

    MULLAH KI AZAA(N) AUR, MUJAHID KI AZAA(N) AUR

    PARWAAZ HAI DONO KI ISI EK FIZAA MEIN

    KARGAZ KA JAHA(N) AUR HAI, SHAHEEN KA JAHA AUR

    Expressing his  views on Hindu-Muslim  relations in the twentieth century Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad  Ali  Jinnah  observed:

    The  Hindus  and Muslims belong to two  different  religious  philosophies,  social  customs  and literature. They neither intermarry,  nor interdine together, and indeed they  belong  to  two  different  civilizations   which   are  based  on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects on life  and of life are different.”

    TNT: DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE HINDUS AND MUSLIMS
    Here is a Pakistani patriot arguing about the differences between the two nations:

    “Dress codes between Hindus and Non-Hindus are apparent in any gathering, specially among women. Standards of modesty for women are very very different. We speak Urdu, you cleansed Urdu of all Persian and Arabic words and speak Hindi. Your literature consists of Tagore and others, ours of the later stages of Iqbal. Our heroes are your enemies (Auranzeb and Mahmud of Gazni). Our scoundrels are your heroes (Shivajee). Our  architecture is Moghal in nature- symmetrical with domes and minars. Yours is stupa shaped  and temple-like. Our temples are decorated with writings, yours are pictographic representations abhorrent to Muslims. Our civilization is traced from the deserts of Arabia, the sands of Persia and the fertile valley of the Indus.

    Yours is traced from  the depths of Somnath, and the war plains of the Ganges. Our names are different than yours. Our value systems are based on Judeo-Christian monothieism and the ten commandments. Yours are based on  a conglomerations of books that originated in Hindu mythology. Your laws are based on the Hindu Rashtra (or secularism), ours  on the ten commandments . We eat meat and relish beef. For you Sex is religious and requires display and celebration, for us sex is private and a duty for procreation. You are vegetarian and abhor beef . On religious holidays we pray and scrifice animals, you celebrate fire. We pray five times a day and want the aazaan to monitor our day, you go to temples every week. We pray towards Mecca, you go to pilgrimage to the Ganges. We bury our dead, you cremate them. We are all equal, you have a caste system. We share our foods, you cannot share between castes. We revere the widows, you used to burn them.We are required to slap back, you believe in ahmisa. We believe in heaven and hell, you believe in re-incarnation.”

    “Remember that ….we shall fight ,and we shall fight for 1,000 years as we have fought for 1,000 years in the past….we can continue ! ” (ZAB at the United Nations )

    HINDU ORIGINS OF THE TNT:The ” Two Nation Theory” was originally formed around the latter part  of the Nineteenth century. Ironically the TNT originated as a result of the parochial writings of major Hindu leaders like Lal Lajpat Rai who were proclaiming that Hindus and Muslims were separate nations and the Muslims should be expunged from the land of the Hindus. When the Muslims saw that the Hindus were targeting them, the Muslims decided to act.

    Contrary to the common belief that Jinnah originated the two-nation theory, actually it was Savarkar who propounded the theory years before the Muslim League embraced the idea. Savarkar had commanded all the Muslims to leave ‘Bharat’ to pave the way for the establishment of Hindu Rashtra. When Jinnah introduced his two-nation theory, Savarkar announced, “I have no quarrel with Mr. Jinnah’s two-nation theory… It is a historical fact that Hindus and Muslims are two nations.”

    “His (Savarkar’s) doctrine was Hindutva, the doctrine of Hindu racial supremacy, and his dream was of rebuilding a great Hindu empire from the sources of the Indus to those of the Brahmaputra. He hated Muslims. There was no place for them in the Hindu society he envisioned.” (Freedom at Midnight, by Dominique Lapierre and Larry Collins).

    So the hate campaign against Muslims was well in place even before the partition of erstwhile British India. This and many other significant factors forced Jinnah to demand a separate nation for Muslims as he believed that Muslims would not be safe in India — a prophetic declaration indeed! There is no denying the fact that Jinnah was secular to the marrow and would never have wished to cut ties with India, but circumstances compelled him to do so. However, he had not harbored grudges against India or its leaders. He had kept his house on Malabar Hill, thinking he could weekend there, while running his country from Karachi on weekdays, but destiny had something else in store for the estranged neighbors of the Asia Partition.

    When Nathuram Godse pumped three bullets into Gandhi, a section of the Hindu community compared him with Judas. The writing was on the wall. The divide was evident. In some areas people mourned the death of Gandhi, and in other areas they distributed sweets, held celebrations, and demanded the release of Godse. Gandhi’s crime was that he had demanded security for Muslims. Syed Alvi Teheran Times August 17th, 2008

    The seeds of partition were actually sown by the stalwarts of Hindu Mahasabha, primarily the quartet of Savarkar, Gawarikar, Apte, and Nathuram Godse. Independent India’s history is testimony to the fact that in a conflict between the forces of secular nationalism and religious communalism, the latter has always ruled the roost. Secular forces have more often than not ended up playing into the hands of communal forces. Such has been the history of independent India, and it is again on display in Jammu.

    Terror in the Name of God
    By Yoginder Sikand

    “Never forget that the life of this world is only a game and a passing delight, a show ….the life of this world is nothing but means of deception:. (The Quran, Al-Hadid: 20)

    “There is no Hindu, there is no Muslim” (Baba Guru Nanak Sahib)

    According to media reports, it is possible that the recent deadly assault on Mumbai was masterminded by the Lashkar-e Tayyeba, a Pakistan-based self-styled Islamist terrorist outfit. Whether the attacks were indeed the handiwork of the Lashkar, as is being alleged, or of some other agency, such as the CIA and the Israseli Mossad, as others believe, remains to be fully investigated, but there can be no doubt that radical Islamism, like radical Hindutva, poses a major threat to peace and security in both India and Pakistan.

    What makes such terror-driven self-styled Islamist groups thrive in Pakistan? It would appear that the very foundational myth of Pakistan, the so-called ‘two nation theory’ on which the country was founded, is itself conducive to militaristic interpretations of Islam. In a mirror image of the thesis propounded by the early ideologues of Hindutva—that the Hindus and Muslims of India were two entirely different nations and that the latter could live in India only if they agreed to turn Hindu or else be stripped of all civic rights—the ideologues of the Pakistan movement claimed that the Hindus and Muslims of pre-Partition India were two irreconcilable nations that could not live together. On the basis of this specious argument, they demanded a separate state=2 0for the Indian Muslims. This is how Pakistan came into being.

    Thus, the very basis of the Pakistan movement was the myth of undying hatred and hostility between Hindus and Muslims. This so-called ‘two-nation theory’ remains the official ideology of the state of Pakistan, and is taught to every Pakistani child in school through carefully doctored textbooks. To question the theory, as many Pakistanis privately do, is considered a punishable crime and as akin to sedition. Accordingly, the Pakistani state has, since its inception, seen its survival as being crucially dependent on actively promoting as well as indirectly abetting anti-Indian and anti-Hindu sentiments. As movements for autonomy in provinces increasingly restive of Punjabi domination mounted, first in the erstwhile East Bengal, and then in Baluchistan and Sindh, the Pakistani state came to increasingly rely on an instrumental use and cynical manipulation of Islam and on the bogey of Hindu or Indian domination to ensure its survival and increasingly threatened legitimacy. Naturally, this expanded the space and scope for groups, not just the Lashkar, but scores of others as well, who claimed to speak in the name of Islam to whip up anti-Indian and anti-Hindu sentiments. For them hatred of India and the Hindus were considered as among the defining features of Pakistani nationalism.

    The rise of t he Lashkar and similar self-styled jihadist groups thus cannot be understood in isolation from these broader political processes. These groups received a major impetus under the American-backed and hugely unpopular military dictator, General Zia ul-Haq, who cynically backed radical Islamist groups to win public support as well as to pursue the CIA-funded war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. It was at around this time that self-styled Islamist groups began entering the political arena in a major way, setting up political parties and fighting elections. This led to all sorts of compromises, to widespread corruption and to rapidly escalating militancy by different Islamist groups competing with each other to prove to the electorate their purported claims of representing and speaking for Islam. The more obscurantist a group’s approach was with regard to a whole host of issues—women’s rights, the Kashmir question, relations with India and so on—the more ardently ‘Islamic’ it considered itself to be and it presented itself so to the public whose support it sought to win.

    Under Zia, several dozen radical Islamist groups were liberally funded by the Saudis and the Americans in the war in Afghanistan, but soon these went out of control. They turned against their American patrons and started dreaming of exporting their self-styled jihad to the rest of the world. Some of them, including the Lashkar, even went to the extent of calling for the establishment of a global so-called Islamic Caliphate and for conquering the entire world under the ‘Islamic flag’. Whether or not the leaders of these groups actually believed all this bombastic rhetoric no one can say, but it certainly appealed to vast numbers of youth, particularly from impoverished families, who were fed on a steady diet of fanciful tales about the luxuries they would wallow in if they died or were ‘martyred’ in the cause of what was presented to them as a divine mission.

    These groups went on to serve what were seen as the strategic interests of the Pakistani state, as for instance in Kashmir, where they were sent to battle Indian forces as well as Kashmiri nationalist groups struggling for a sovereign Jammu and Kashmir, which would be independent of both India and Pakistan. Since Pakistan was a crucial ally of the West, America chose to remain mute in the face of these developments. Likewise, these groups were solidly backed by the Pakistani state in its desperate effort to install the pro-Pakistan Taliban regime in Afghanistan, and this also received American support. The Lashkar set up several training camps in Afghanistan and gave the Taliban considerable military and moral support.

    It is thus the consistent assistance given by the Pakistani state to self-styled Islamist groups that has allowed them to flour ish in the country, so much so that now, when the Pakistani state has itself begun to face an immense threat from these very groups, it finds itself helpless. It is an indicator of how powerful these groups have become in Pakistan that even though the present government might want to clamp down on them it cannot do so. Large parts of Pakistan are today characterized by extreme lawlessness where the writ of the state does not run. Decades of cynical manipulation of Islam by the Pakistani state for the narrowly construed ends of Pakistan’s elites have now led to a situation where even if the state wants to curb these self-styled Islamist groups it finds itself helpless. Powerful sections within the Pakistani state apparatus, including in the ISI and the Army, are fiercely averse to taking any action against these groups, and are said to be consistently providing support to them.

    But is the Pakistani state serious in its claims of being determined to take on Islamist terror groups that have mushroomed across the country? It appears not, just as the Indian state has not taken any serious steps against Hindutva terror groups in India. The Pakistani government claims to have banned the Lashkar, to have frozen all its assets and to have put its leaders under arrest. But ample indications exist to suggest that, in actual fact, the Lashkar is being permitted to operate freely after being conveniently allowed to change its na me and re-christen itself as the Jamaat ud-Dawa. The Jamaat ud-Dawa’s website is freely accessible on the Internet, relaying incendiary, hate-driven speeches of its senior leaders, who seem to be under no control whatsoever. The Markaz’s magazines in English, Arabic and Urdu continue to be published, with a reported circulation of several hundred thousand. On a visit to Lahore three years ago I chanced upon a bookshop in the very heart of the sprawling Urdu Bazaar that specializes in Lashkar literature that spews venom and hatred against India and the Hindus, but also against a whole host of Muslim groups that the Lashkar does not consider genuinely Islamic—including the followers of the Sufis, the Barelvis, the quietistic Deobandi-related Tablighi Jamaat and the Shias, all of which it brands as ‘enemies of Islam’ or their ‘agents’. And, I was told, despite the fact that the Lashkar was officially ‘banned’, it still operated from its headquarters in Muridke, not far from Lahore, and also managed several dozens of centres across the country under various names. Is one to imagine that the Pakistani government is so weak in the face of radical groups as to be unable to close all these institutions down?

    In this context, the question arises as to why Pakistani civil society has been unable to effectively challenge the venomous (and what I, as someone who has studied Islam for the past two decades, regard as a wholly distort ed) version of Islam that is propelled by self-styled Islamist groups such as the Lashkar. This issue is particularly intriguing given the fact that radical Islamist groups have consistently received only a relatively small share of the vote in successive elections, indicating that their hate-driven vision of Islam does not appeal to the majority of Pakistani people.

    There are several reasons for this, among the most salient being the fact that the liberal, progressive middle class in Pakistan is very miniscule, the country still remaining largely feudal, tribalistic and extremely patriarchal in its set-up and ethos. Efforts by the few liberal Islamic scholars that exist in Pakistan to articulate progressive interpretations of Islam on a range of issues—including women’s rights, relations with non-Muslims and relations between India and Pakistan—have generally met with stern opposition and even violence from Islamist outfits, with some of these scholars being forced to flee for safety to the West. The sheer fear of being killed for publicly opposing radicals and their perverted brand of Islam keeps numerous progressive thinkers in Pakistan silent, thus perpetuating a vicious circle in which the radicals are allowed to go unchallenged. Furthermore, the state has consistently denied space to progressive Islamic scholars, fearing their potential for dissent from the official view, seeing the radicals as more pliable and amenable to manipulation.=2 0This explains, for instance, the fact that despite its bombastic ‘Islamic’ credentials, Pakistan is yet to produce any well-known Islamic intellectual who has sought to deal creatively with the manifold demands and challenges that modernity poses. The status of Islamic, in addition to social science, research in Pakistan is woeful, and this can be explained, in part, by the fear on the part of the establishment of voices of dissenting scholars that might challenge ruling myths. The fact that Pakistan spends less than 2 per cent of its budget on education and that numerous Vice-Chancellors of Pakistani universities are retired army generals are indicators of this mind-set.

    Terrorism—and this includes terror resorted to by non-state actors as well as by the state—today poses a grave threat to the peoples of both India and Pakistan. Islamist and Hindutva terrorism feed on each other, while posing to be each other’s most inveterate foes. I recall reading some years ago—I cannot recall where, though—the perverse pleasure that a senior Lashkar expressed when the BJP-led NDA government came to power. Syed Maududi, the chief ideologue of the Jamaat-e Islami, who can be considered the major architect of modern-day Islamism, is on record as having declared that he would prefer India to be an officially Hindu country to being secular because that would further his case for the ‘Islamic state’ that he dreamed of establishing in Pakistan. Islamist outfits in Pakistan find ready fodder for whipping up anti-Indian and anti-Hindu passions by pouncing on acts of terror and anti-Muslim violence spearheaded by Hindutva groups in India, often abetted by the state. Likewise, gruesome acts of terror committed by Pakistan-based Islamist groups are quickly seized upon by Hindutva forces in India to further demonise Muslims and to build their Hindu vote-bank. Hindu and Islamist terror thus enjoy a symbiotic or mutually beneficial relationship while claiming to oppose each other. This obvious fact must be recognized when conceiving responses to the challenge of terrorism in our region.

    There are no easy solutions to the predicament we find ourselves in today. But there is surely at least one thing that we must do, and this was suggested to me by the noted New Delhi-based Arya Samaj scholar, Swami Agnivesh, who has consistently been speaking out against all forms of terror, including in the name of Islam and Hinduism as well as state terrorism. The most effective way to challenge terrorism in the name of religion, Swami Agnivesh suggested, is for Muslims to denounce and stiffly oppose terror engaged in by self-styled Islamic groups who claim to speak in the name of Islam, and for Hindus to do likewise with regard to terror spread by militant Hindu groups. Sadly, today, the approach of many of us to the phenomenon is selective and skewed, with many Hindus denouncing only the terror unleashed by self-styled Islamist groups, and many Muslims denouncing only acts of terror masterminded by Hindu groups. At the same time, many Hindus and Muslims continue to turn a blind eye to, or even support, forms of terror being perpetrated in the name of the very religion which they claim to follow.

    And there is something else that we need to do as individuals, and I have found that this simple principle works wonders even at a very personal level. It might sound ‘unfashionable’ or even ‘purile’ for those who do not find any place for God in their lives, but for millions of people in India and Pakistan who do believe in some higher force, no matter what they name it, it would strike an immediate chord.

    This principle I owe to Rano Devi, a landless Dalit labourer from the Bhil tribe who had been released through the efforts of a human rights’ group from slavery-like conditions in the estate of a powerful landlord. I Rano met while on a visit to Sindh in southern Pakistan three years ago. A powerful woman she was—dark and tall, and walking proud and erect. A courteous hostess, she welcomed me into her one-roomed hovel built on a scrawny patch of land that a social activist friend of mine had provided her and plied me with milk-less tea and a roti,20which was all that she could afford.

    Rano told me her story, of how she was enslaved by a landlord, who happened to be a Muslim, and who kept her for four years in shackles. Then, after a protracted legal battle, she was released through the efforts of my friend and his comrades, all of who happened to be Muslims.

    She went on to enunciate a simple but very compelling principle thus:

    ‘Live for your religion, don’t die or kill for it. Express your religion through love and service, like the brothers who rescued me did, not through oppression, murder and mayhem, for that is a heinous crime in God’s eyes. After all, we are all accountable for all our actions to God. To Him we shall return after we die, when He will decide our fate till eternity based on our deeds in this world’.

    ‘If we were to realize that this world is temporary and that real, eternal life starts after death,’ Rano continued softly, tears welling up in her eyes, ‘and if we were to constantly keep this in mind, perhaps people would dread to misuse God’s name for un-Godly acts’.

    And there was another thing that Rano said that inspires me as I write these lines:

    ‘We call Him Ishwar, and Muslims call Him Allah, but He is one and the same’, said Rano. ‘There are good people in every community, just as there are bad people, too. Just as that landlord who enslaved me claimed to be a Muslim, the brothers who freed me were also Muslims. And there are both good and bad people among Hindus as well. Remember that, brother. It is only when good people in every community join hands that this Hindu-Muslim problem or the problems between India and Pakistan can ever be resolved’.

    That sage advice from this impoverished Pakistani Dalit woman is, to my mind, a basic premise we need to start from in our joint struggle against terror in the name of religion and national chauvinism.


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    Total incompetence & Systematic failure at all levels in Mumbai


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    The world media is now waking up to a new reality–the total incompetence and buffoonery of the Blue Water Indian Navy, and the much vaulted Indian Black commandos. The world is saddened by the sad happenings, but appalled at the lack of resources available in Mumbai that claims to be the financial capital of the country with a very emotional population and a triumphalist press that insists that India is a Superpower and the world should kowtow to the prowess of its armed forces.

    Syed Naqvi, an Indian analyst from Mumbai  mentioned the strange presence of Israeli Commandos, MI5, and South African Commandos. Ratan Tata also mentioned the neglect and inefficiency of the armed forces.

    Mumbai’s 60 hours of terror were the work of a small team of professionally trained “commando killers”, who spent weeks planning their atrocities, according to initial evidence emerging here yesterday.

    Officials said they believe the terrorists who carried out attacks that left almost 200 people dead, and who held off the security forces for three days, may have numbered as few as 10. By Andrew Buncombe in Mumbai and Jonathan Owen. Sunday, 30 November 2008. Just ten trained terrorists caused carnage. http://www.independent.co.uk

    General Gul Hamid sees the Mumbai attacks as the last try of the Neocons to somehow keep the War on Terror alive in the minds of Americans. The Indian electorate seems to rejected the message of the extremists and neither the BJP nor the VHP has made any electoral gains in the elections

    Systemic failure seen in India’s response to attacks. Experts blame deep structural problems in India’s anti-terrorism operation, including poor intelligence, inadequate equipment and limited training. And they doubt that reform will be forthcoming. By Mark Magnier.6:40 PM PST, November 30, 2008

    Reporting from Mumbai, India - Facing mounting public anger over the response of his government and security forces to last week’s assault on Mumbai, India’s prime minister pledged Sunday to beef up anti-terrorism measures, and a top police official more pointedly fixed blame on a Pakistani group for the violence that left nearly 200 dead.

    But analysts and ordinary citizens questioned whether the government’s promise of reform would lead to serious changes in an approach whose systemic problems were laid bare by the assault.

    “I’ll be surprised if this is a wake-up call,” said Brahma Chellaney, professor of strategic studies at the Center for Policy Research in New Delhi. “The government has proven quite adept at making statements after every act of terror and going back to business as usual.”

    The government promised Sunday to create an FBI-style agency and station specially trained forces in four cities in addition to New Delhi. Early in the day, Home Minister Shivraj Patil resigned, taking “moral blame” for security lapses.

    Pakistan has denied any links to last week’s attack. Western and Indian intelligence officials have long charged that rogue elements in Pakistani intelligence agencies used Lashkar and other militant groups as proxies in their conflict with India over the disputed Kashmir region.

    Even as Indian officials focused on the possibility that India had been attacked from abroad, public anger raged at the response to the coordinated attacks launched Wednesday night. The assault on two top hotels, a restaurant, a Jewish center and other sites killed at least 174 people, including six Americans. The death toll was revised downward Sunday after authorities said some bodies were counted twice.

    Students, Internet groups, social critics and the media have harshly criticized the government for its failure to protect citizens. “Our Politicians Fiddle as Innocents Die,” read a front-page headline in Sunday’s Times of India.

    Many analysts, former police and military officers and ordinary citizens said they feared that weak political will, corruption and the shortcomings of the nation’s anti-terrorism forces would undermine needed reform. All too often, some observers said, terrorist incidents become political footballs for a variety of reasons.

    For starters: With Muslims accounting for 13% of India’s population, politicians tend to avoid pushing too hard against militant Islamists for fear of alienating this important voting bloc.

    “The issue of anti-terrorism, especially around election time, is radioactive,” said Ryan Clarke, a researcher with Singapore’s International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research, saying areas with large Muslim populations can play swing roles in close elections.

    Another problem, others said, is that India’s porous borders with Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and entry points along the coast make it easy to launch militant operations from a neighboring country and then slip away. Last week’s attackers reportedly sneaked into the city aboard rubber dinghies launched from a hijacked fishing trawler.

    “Mumbai has 15 patrol boats, and none of them are used for patrolling,” said lawyer and former Mumbai policeman Y.P. Singh. “There’s such complacency.” Systemic failure seen in India’s response to attacks. Experts blame deep structural problems in India’s anti-terrorism operation, including poor intelligence, inadequate equipment and limited training. And they doubt that reform will be forthcoming.By Mark Magnier.6:40 PM PST, November 30, 2008

    The only thing going for the Indian media is the blame game. Without proof all blame was put on players outside India. There are too many contradictions in the news story put forward by the immature and sensational Indian media.

    Security experts say individual police officers and national guard personnel performed bravely during last week’s standoff. And some of the targets chosen by the militants, such as the vast Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels, would challenge most security organizations. But these factors were far outweighed by deep structural problems, poor intelligence, inadequate equipment and limited training, they add.

    Anti-terrorist operations ideally need to quickly and decisively respond. The longer officials wait, the more time terrorists have to wreak havoc and hole themselves up in defensive positions, experts say.

    Mumbai lost three of its top anti-terrorism officials almost immediately when the violence began Wednesday night; they were gunned down as they rode together in a van. The three should not have been in the same vehicle, experts said, nor should they have exposed themselves to danger. Their loss badly handicapped the early response.

    Mumbai has no equivalent of a SWAT team. It took hours to decide to send in the nation’s rapid-response National Security Guards, based in New Delhi. The capital is three hours away by air, but no military aircraft were available and the unit evidently lacked authority to requisition a commercial plane. Military transport was flown in from elsewhere.

    On reaching Mumbai, the guards were driven to the hostage sites by bus — there were no helicopters — then briefed. By the time they took up positions, many hours had passed.

    “A city the size of Mumbai, with [more than] 18 million people, doesn’t even have a SWAT team or a helicopter available,” said Ajay Sahni, executive director of New Delhi’s Institute for Conflict Management. “At every stage there was complete institutional failure. You can’t have a rapid-action force that takes seven hours to arrive.”

    At the two massive hotels, a handful of militants kept hundreds of commandos at bay for two days. Senior commanders would announce that sections of the buildings had been cleared, only to see the attackers move back in.

    Government forces lacked hotel floor plans, although the militants seemed to have had them — and apparently had stockpiled explosives and ammunition at the sites in advance. And the commandos lacked an effective command structure or a good communication system, experts said, whereas the terrorists reportedly used BlackBerrys and GPS devices to navigate and monitor news coverage.

    Though the hotels are huge, the Jewish center is located in a five-story building, known as Nariman House, which should have made for a far easier recovery operation. When commandos were dropped on the roof Saturday morning by helicopter, the craft made three sorties, removing any element of surprise.

    “These are Jews,” Sahni said. “It’s very clear they were not going to be allowed to live by these people. This tiny building should’ve been taken in the first few minutes.”

    Onlookers at the Nariman House were allowed to watch from a few feet away, hampering police operations. A night counterattack was nixed, reportedly because it was too dark: The attackers had night-vision goggles, the police didn’t.

    Conventional theory suggests that commandos move quickly once there’s indication that hostages are in imminent danger in hopes of getting at least a few out alive. Yet days passed until, in the end, all hostages at the center were killed.

    “You can wait, but you use that wait to engage the terrorists and plan,” said Yoram Schweitzer, an international terrorism expert at Tel Aviv’s Institute for National Security Studies. “Then you engage them quickly, with shock — prepare for a maximum one- to two-minute strike.”

    India also has paid the price for corruption in the ranks, said Singh, the former policeman.

    “Everyone wants to be in the police station where you have contact with the public and can get payments for resolving a dispute, allowing a builder to build a flat,” he said. “If you’re assigned to the anti-terrorism unit, you try and find a politician to get you out of it. You can see the results in the past few days.”

    Also problematic has been the lack of training or equipment. The elite forces had no thermal-imaging equipment, which would have helped distinguish terrorists from hotel guests. And ordinary policemen on the front lines had single-bolt rifles of the sort used in World War I, which they had only fired 10 times total during training.

    “We’re talking about an early 20th century police system trying to deal with a 21st century threat,” security analyst Sahni said.

    Intelligence also has come under criticism amid reports that fishermen, the Home Ministry and foreign and domestic intelligence agencies all recorded strange goings-on or received warnings that were never acted upon.

    And rather than authorities taking the lessons to heart and reforming the system, many observers see a pattern of reflexively blaming outside elements, finding scapegoats and making excuses.

    “Blaming others tends to reduce your anxiety rather than a more professional approach of taking time to investigate,” said Abhay Matkar, a retired Indian army major. “While public awareness has expanded after [last] week and I expect there will be some change, politicians really need to be shaken up quite a bit.” LA Times. November 30th, 2008. Magnier is a Times staff writer. mark.magnier@latimes.com. SASystemic failure seen in India’s response to attacks. Experts blame deep structural problems in India’s anti-terrorism operation, including poor intelligence, inadequate equipment and limited training. And they doubt that reform will be forthcoming.By Mark Magnier.6:40 PM PST, November 30, 2008

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    Pakistani response to “India’s Cold start strategy”: Limited strikes against targets vs Hot War leading to Nuclear Armageddon


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    India knows that it can never win a conventional warfare because of the Nuclear Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD). However it still harbors notions of winning a sort of a mini war. India may think it has a Cold Start Strategy, but it may end as a hot nuclear war. Indian Defense planners cannot guarantee that a limited strike wil not escalte into a full fledged war. A full fledged war with a nuclear armed labor may destroy both countries.

    Much of this so called “cold Start Strategy” is based on the Israeli strategy which it tried to implement in Lebanon. Israel was unable to implement its objectives in Lebanon and had to withdraw even from the Litani River. Israel failed to achieve its goals in Lebanon. In Lebanon, Israel was unable to stop the barrage of missiles from Lebanon even on the last day. Many consider this Israel’s defeat.

    Map of possible war with Iran Iraq Afghanistan Pakistan

    GWOT: Map of possible war with Iran Iraq Afghanistan Pakistan

    Does Pakistan have a Hizbullah type of defense against invasions? Only day dreamers can imagine that this is not so. In Lebanon, non-state players gave the largest army in the world a hard time. Pakistan is ready to give Indians Cold Strategy a warm welcome. Crossing Wagah, Sialkot, Ran of Kutch or Kashmir point the Indian army would not only face the Pakistani Army but a very hostile and armed population.

    Islamphobe and Anti-Pakistan thinktanker Stephen Cohen, author of “The Idea of Paksitan” predicted a Military crisis in South Asia developing in the next two months. He leaked the Indian strategy viz a viz Pakistan. He called it a “Cold start Strategy“. Stephen Cohen defined India’s strategy a “A Short Cross Border punishing raid in response to a major terrorist act.”

    Legal India Pakistan map. Map of India. Map of Pakistan. Map of Bangladesh

    Legal India Pakistan map. Map of India. Map of Pakistan. Map of Bangladesh

    SUMMARY OF INDIA’S COLD START DOCTRINE:

    India’s Strategic Military Objectives Needs to be Made Clear: India’s strategic military objectives need to:

    • * Shift from capturing bits of Pakistan territory in small scale multiple offensives to be used as bargaining chips after the cease fire.
    • * Focus on the destruction of the Pakistani Army and its military machine without much collateral damage to Pakistani civilians.
    • All the three armed forces have to synergise operations towards destruction of the Pakistan Army as it is that which enslaves Pakistan, impedes democracy in Pakistan and indulges in military adventurism against India, including proxy wars and terrorism.
    • “India’s Defence Policies and Strategic Thought: A Comparative Analysis (reviewed on SAAG website as Igniting Strategic Mindsets in Indians:; SAAG paper no. 657 dated 09-04-2003)
    Indian insurgencies map.Hindustan India Maoist Naxalite insurgency map

    Indian insurgencies map.Hindustan India Maoist Naxalite insurgency map

    SOME QUESTIONS ON INDIA’S COLD START DOCTRINE:

    The main weakness of Indi’a Cold Start Doctrine is that India needs 70 or 80 squadrons of aircraft. Indian Airforce crying wolf? or facing shortage of jets?. It also assumes that Pakistan will not use tactical or full-fledged nuclear weapons. The other weakness of the India’s military thinking is that the Doctrine is that doctrine assumes that the Pakistani Military will fold instantly and the Indian forces will be able to destroy the Pakistani forces without inflicting damage to the Pakistani civilian population. The Doctrine is based on cold water strategies and does not take into account the irregulars in the that defend Pakistan. Pakistani irregular number a bout 200,000 and then there are the forces energized in FATA and NWFP which would be mobilized. The Doctrine does not take into account the effect of Pakistani missiles, and nuclear assets. However there is much emphasis on “wiping out Pakistan”. The Doctrine fails to understand the problems that India faces in Kashmir, Assam and the Maoist insurgency.

    Rupee News considers India’s Cold Start strategy based on wishful thinking, a lot of luck, a wink, a nod and song and a prayer. We now present the Doctrine in Detail as presented by various authors.

    A limited "Cold Start Doctrine" will surely end up as a Full Fledged Hot War ending up in 250 Nuclear Mushroom delivered by Pakistan to Indian cities. Mutually Assured Destruction. No Indian General can guarantee that a limited strike will not end up as a hot war leader to a nuclear exchange and the end of life in South Asia for a thousand years

    A limited "Cold Start Strategy" will surely end up as a Hot War leading to 250 mushroom clouds in India. No Indian General can guarantee that a limited airstrike on Pakistani targets will not turn ont a full scale war a a nuclear exchange that ends all life in South Asia

    SOME COLD START DOCTRINE BUSTERS:

    DETAILS OF INDIA’S COLD START DOCTRINE:

    The Indian concept of “Cold Start” is more or less what every major military is undergoing as part of a review.The Russians actually started it in the early 80’s with the prototype “RMA” That was a legacy of seeing that huge forces were unwieldy and cost prohibitive. They never really implemented it and have only just started it in the last 6 months.

    The US looked at the Russian RMA model and had the seeds of it developing in 1989, by 1999-2000 they had it in substantial place.China has dramatically changed it’s force structure since assessing the US approach to Kuwait, the Gulf War and Afghanistan (which showed how specforces could be used in a surgical masse manner)

    The UK, Australia, France, Germany are all going through force restructure.In a real sense it’s not unexpected that India and Pakistan go through the same review process.The days of keeping large standing armies on hold are probably gone for battles that were designed around force majeur and massed meeting engagements - and maybe the only ones who haven’t realised it are the North Koreans and Myanmar.

    In 2003 Pakistan dismissed the Cold Start Strategy.

    Pakistan studying ˜Cold Start Doctrine” of Indian Army

    Islamabad - Pakistan said that it is closely studying the implication of the ˜Cold Start Doctrine, which according to media reports here was sought to be implemented by Indian Army during the 2002 border tensions with Pakistan.

    Pakistanâ’s Defence spokesman Maj Gen Shoukat Sultan said even though Pakistan do not feel threatened by the doctrine, it was studying its implications. ˜Cold Start Doctrine” meant launching lightning ground and airstrikes and take over of the enemy country without giving much time for the rival army to hit back. According to media reports, Indian Army considered the implementation of the cold start after massing the troops along the Pakistan borders during the tensions that followed the attack on the Parliament in December 2001.

    ˜We cannot out rightly ignore the cold start doctrine, but we strongly believe that it is not a viable proposition in the case of Pakistan, ISPR chief told reporters while answering a question. ˜This could perhaps work for a banana republic or for that matter a small state, where operating under this doctrine foreign forces could land one fine morning without any warning and fulfil the objective by capturing strategic positions, he said, adding that Pakistan’s case was altogether different.

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    India has already cold tested its cold Start strategy in 2006.

    NEW DELHI, APRIL 14: The Army’s most complex offensive Corps-level exercise, to test parts of the new war doctrine that relate to Cold Start strategies, gets underway next month in Punjab by Ambala-based 2 Corps.

    The exercise, to be held in the general area of Jalandhar, will be the first component exercise to test newly authored strategies of the revolutionary Cold Start war ethic ingested by the force in 2004.

    Two years ago, the Army began to progressively indoctrinate its formations in the plains with the Cold Start strategy, a war ethic that primarily envisages lightning offensives by tri-service integrated thrust formations - so quick that they preempt a nuclear retaliation - instead of laborious and time-consuming massing of troops led by the strike corps.

    Considered to be the brainchild of former Army Vice-Chief Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi, in 2004 Pakistan said it had rejigged its own offensive structure to absorb the implications of an Indian Cold Start.

    The 2 Corps exercise, involving massive deployments, including an armoured division, an independent armoured brigade and two infantry divisions, will torture-test a part of the Army’s renewed war doctrine that propounds a short but blistering armoured and artillery assault followed by lightning infantry and mechanised infantry operations assisted by battlefield helicopter cover in a nuclear, chemical and biological (NCB) backdrop.

    Army Chief Gen J J Singh will visit the area during the exercise, considering that some new parts of the Army’s new doctrine were authored by him when he was commander of the Shimla-based Army Training Command (Artrac). The last Corps exercise by the Ambala-based formation was in 2003.

    The 1st Armoured Division, 14th Independent Armoured Brigade, 22nd Infantry Division and the 14th RAPID Division will take part in the exercise next month. The Army will have 10 days to complete the exercise - the only window it gets between harvesting and the next sowing - on the expansive plains.

    This is the Soviet Doctrine of the 100 Gun concept:Test of fire

    If the Indian Army succeeds with the 100-gun concept, it could change the rules of engagement with Pakistan. By Our correspondent

    18 January 2003: The Ambala-based headquarter II corps (one of the strike corps) has been tasked to carry out an exercise over the next couple of months which, if successful, could result in a paradigm shift in the Indian Armyâ€TMs firepower strategy

    Known as the 100-gun concept, it finds its origin in the military doctrine of the erstwhile Soviet Union. The concept aims at effecting maximum destruction on the enemyâ€TMs military and key civilian assets before the infantry can physically move in and capture territory.

    Labeled as being rather expensive, this concept was buried by armies across the globe after the Soviet collapse. The concept involves 100 or more artillery guns to provide support to three infantry battalions as opposed to the Western doctrine of 64 guns for three infantry units.

    The problem with the Soviet doctrine was that if the enemy were to open more than a couple of fronts, moving artillery pieces and other firepower assets would prove not just expensive but also cumbersome and predictable. In fact, opening several small fronts by way of swift manoeuvres lay at the heart of NATOâ€TMs strategic doctrine against the Soviets.

    This concept, however, has found new life in India. During the Kargil conflict, between 100-120 guns on an average supported three infantry units. This was complimented by air power, namely laser-guided bombs. Together, the firepower component in Kargil was able to inflict a telling damage, officials said, on enemy positions making it easier for an infantry assault.

    Recently, during Operation Parakram, the strategy of degradation operations in the Northern Command involved complete and thorough destruction of the enemyâ€TMs war-making capabilities, officials added.

    Here too, a combination of artillery and air power formed the centrepiece of the strategy.

    According to officials, the future India war scenario will be sectoral in nature, given the political compulsion not to escalate the conflict beyond a particular region. This would allow India to shift firepower resources, say, to the LoC from other sectors. This, in turn, would reduce the guns-to-men ratio enabling the implementation of the 100-gun concept.

    Moreover, since the capture of territory is ruled out due to political compulsions, the destruction of enemy assets has emerged as a key marker of success in war these days, officials added.

    Insiders also say that the successful execution of this exercise could impact future procurement of artillery and armour and increase the stress on air power. But this change would require more than a few successful exercises — and not before the Indian military is convinced that Pakistan wonâ€TMt counter the 100-gun concept in novel ways.

    Here is a detailed analysis of the India’s Cold Start Strategy.

    INDIA’S NEW “COLD START” WAR DOCTRINE STRATEGICALLY EVIEWED by Dr Subhash Kapila

    Introductory Observations: India unveiled officially its new war doctrine on April 28, 2004 at the Army Commander’s Conference that took place last week. Obviously, the need for a new war doctrine was decades-long overdue, but it seems that the lessons of the Kargil War reinforced by the severe limitations imposed on the Indian Army in the run-up to and during Operation PRAKARAM in 2001-2002 hastened the Indian military hierarchy towards this end.

    General Padmanabhan the Chief of Army Staff at the time of Operation PRAKARAM had initiated the process of formulating a new war doctrine and the fruitation now seems to have taken place after a series of major joint exercises between the Indian Army and Indian Air Force including massive live fire power demonstrations.

    It seems that the new Cold War Strategy would now be discussed at various levels of three Services and fine tuned. Needless to say that in any future conflict scenario where a “blitzkrieg” type strategy is going to be followed; joint operations involving the Indian Army, Indian Air Force and Indian Navy would be an imperative.

    Security requirements did not permit the spelling out of adequate details of the “Cold Start Strategy” by the Chief of Army Staff. However, it is not difficult to visualize what this new war doctrine conceptually incorporates as it is said to revolve around the employment of “integrated battle groups” for offensive operations.

    Such strategy did exist in NATO and was being taught at the Royal British Army Staff College. Camberley, UK which the author attended in 1971. In NATO terminology, “integrated” groups for offensive operations existed at three levels. The highest was “combat group” and “combat command” based on a divisional or brigade Headquarters (armoured/infantry mechanised) under which were a flexible number of battle groups” (based on an armoured regiment/mechanized infantry battalion Headquarters) and the lowest was the “combat team” (based on an armoured squadron/mechanized infantry company Headquarters). The groupings at the each level were task-oriented in terms of varying composition of armour and infantry elements with integrated attack helicopters of the Army Aviation and the Air Force besides close support of ground attack Air Force squadrons. Also, was integrated Army Aviation surveillance helicopters. Command and control helicopters were available too.

    Media, reports indicate that the new “Cold Start Strategy” visualizes the use of eight “integrated battle groups”. For the purposes of this strategic review the eight “integrated battle groups” being talked about will be taken to mean eight integrated armoured division/mechanized infantry division sized forces with varying composition of armour, artillery, infantry and combat air support- all integrated. This would be a fair assumption to be made for our discussion in case the intended aim of this new war doctrine is to be achieved.

    The unveiling of a new war doctrine throws up a host of factors for discussion in terms of why a new war doctrine is required, what are the attendant factors in putting it into operation, the limiting factors that may come into play, the responses of the enemy to such a new war doctrine and a host of other associated considerations.

    • Cold Start” War Doctrine-The Strategic Conceptual Underpinnings: In the absence of more details, and rightfully not spelt out due to security reasons, the strategic conceptual underpinnings of India’s new war doctrine can be envisaged as under:
    • * Indian Army’s combat potential would be fully harnessed. The distinction between “strike corps”